A thoughtful exchange between Umberto Eco and Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini that explores belief, ethics, and the spiritual hunger of modern life. While the format is respectful and intellectually rich, it feels more like a carefully curated dialogue than an authentic confrontation of opposing worldviews. Both thinkers tread carefully, aware of the public nature of the exchange. Eco, though secular, acknowledges the lingering influence of his Catholic upbringing, while Martini raises a sharp question about the absence of a unified moral reference in secular thought. The result is more a staging of questions than a deep reckoning — but still a valuable glimpse into how reason and faith can speak, if not fully meet